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Carina's avatar

Lots of interesting thought experiments here. I remember my gender politics professor assigned a book on abortion that made the violinist argument. She was excited and thought there would be lively debate, but in the class of 50 undergrads everyone was just like “how dare she call a baby a parasite.”

I disagree about pregnancy being like forced behaviors such as traffic laws. The government can require me to stop at a stop sign, but pregnancy is more like impaling someone with a stop sign and leaving it there for 9 months despite the bleeding and pain and trouble functioning, plus visible scarring forever. Don’t get me wrong, I adore my son and it was worth it—but pregnancy is no joke. That’s not even getting into all the complications that can arise such as hyperemesis gravidarum, gestational diabetes, and (rarely) death.

We need to distinguish between rules/taxes and something that alters our bodies, impacting our health and ability to function for months.

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Daniel T's avatar

I have three main thoughts here:

1) Bodily autonomy took a pretty big hit in 2021. You only mentioned it in passing but, Covid-19 vaccines. There was also a lot of position flipping. Now, what the relative values are there can be pretty interesting. One causes absolute certain death of something that is arguably not life. The other is highly unlikely to cause the death of something that is absolutely life. Which leads to my second point...

2) I appreciate that this tries to get to the heart of the matter: the abortion debate is about when we value something as life. There's a lot of dancing around this issue but it's true. People disagree on when that life begins and is (theoretically) valued. And since this is pretty much just a societal construct, and there's no such thing as a shared human society, I think it's perfectly reasonable that abortion could be moral at some point in some places and immoral at another point in other places. I feel I violated some important philosophical principle in there but fuck it.

3) Killing Klingons is acceptable because they're animals. They SPOILERS FOR A FORTY YEAR OLD MOVIE killed Kirk's son. I can never forgive them.

Also, I genuinely want to derail this into trans issues just because I now find that funny but I resisted the urge.

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