Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Carina's avatar

I had a job where there was a huge difference in salary if you were an external candidate vs. an internal candidate applying for a promotion.

I got promoted to a role where everyone else in the same role was external and made significantly more. I also had more education than most of them. They wouldn’t budge. It wasn’t the only reason I left after a year, but it made it easier.

As for why they lowballed me, it seemed like it was just because they could. Since I wasn’t doing a job search (just applying for an opportunity that came up) my only other option was to stay in my old role and make even less. So I had very little power in the negotiation.

Expand full comment
The 21st Century Salonnière's avatar

I enjoyed this post a lot, partly because it’s about something I do fairly regularly (hire people, or help other departments hire people) and I’ve given a lot of thought to the following:

Almost every resume I see is that of an extreeeme job hopper. Someone who has stayed more than two years, even in _one_ job on their resume, is more the exception than the rule.

But: I don’t want to hire job hoppers. I want to hire people who will stay. There is so much involved in training people— it takes about a year. From my point of view, job hoppers are a huge pain.

And yet: yes, the raises at work are stingy. About 3%. If we gave people 10% for sticking around, they wouldn’t leave so fast.

And you’re right: people coming from the outside are paid way more than people who’ve stuck around. We’re all punished for staying with an organization. Newer people with less experience get more than me, and that tends to make me want to leave for a place where I’ll get more.

And hiring people really can be hit-or-miss. You think there would be better methods by now. I want to hire great people and don’t want to waste time on the problem people. There are a lot of problem people.

Numbers of barber shops, though? Is that supposed to be a general reasoning /intelligence question? I’ve had good luck focusing on narrowing applicant pools according to (1) anything that indicates high intelligence and (2) (going back to the Big 5) indications that the person has a moderate amount of Agreeableness and a high amount of Conscientiousness. Low Neuroticism and High Openness are a bonus. I don’t care about Intro/Extraversion.

So… I’ve got this “method” and it yields pretty good results except once in a while I’m spectacularly wrong. There was this one guy I helped another department hire. He seemed to meet all my “qualifications” although he was a little …slick, I guess. He ended up being a totally incompetent, work-avoiding, morale-destroying disaster. He literally would hide from his team and did absolutely no work. I don’t think he knew what his job was. He didn’t stay too long but…

We wouldn’t have had to hire him at all if people just stayed in their jobs a few years! We need better pay for sure.

It’s interesting how even a fairly decent system sometimes really fails. I guess some people are skilled at pretending to be agreeable, conscientious and smart.

Expand full comment
25 more comments...

No posts